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Montag, 8. Mai 2006
Burkas in school
urmila, 19:08h
A new problem in Germany. Two girls in one school have appeared in a full burka. They were suspended from school and can only return if they take of the burka. The media have not given much information about the case. But I guess one has to look at this special case (the only one in Germany) and find a solution to this problem. Our minister for justice, however, has recommened to introduce a school uniform to prevent further cases like this. Now, this is really solving the core of the problem, is not it?
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kyla,
Montag, 5. Juni 2006, 23:13
Europe makes no sense to me.
Okay, this is something I truly don't understand. What is a burka clad girl going to do to the school? First France, now Germany. Why? What's the problem? It's just clothes. Yes, that's a naive thing to say: clothes are not just clothes, they are symbols. But it's her own body. I just completely fail to understand the logic here.
No, not the logic. I get the logic. I fail to understand what justifies this, which of the Enlightenment values this follows.
No, not the logic. I get the logic. I fail to understand what justifies this, which of the Enlightenment values this follows.
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urmila,
Dienstag, 6. Juni 2006, 01:46
What is the problem?
Good question. The simplest answer is islamophobia. If 'we' already have a problem with the headscarf then we need to have even a bigger one with the burka.
And there you get me. I do not object the head scarf. There I totally agree with you. I have more problems with the burka. I guess because it hides the face and I find this very difficult in communication. Is that just a pretence on my side? Is it a more sophisticated form of islamophobia?
And then I also have another argument - as we also have. Wearing a burka in Germany is very uncommon, the two girls did not wear one before. Thus I see their putting one on as a sign of protest or something , which needs to be dealt with. But not by suspending them. Rather by talking to them, doing what you normally do in counselling etc. - But I am not sure, whether this line of argument is also islamophobic.
About the two girls: One took the burka off and is back at school. The other has left the school on her own wish - or so they say.
And there you get me. I do not object the head scarf. There I totally agree with you. I have more problems with the burka. I guess because it hides the face and I find this very difficult in communication. Is that just a pretence on my side? Is it a more sophisticated form of islamophobia?
And then I also have another argument - as we also have. Wearing a burka in Germany is very uncommon, the two girls did not wear one before. Thus I see their putting one on as a sign of protest or something , which needs to be dealt with. But not by suspending them. Rather by talking to them, doing what you normally do in counselling etc. - But I am not sure, whether this line of argument is also islamophobic.
About the two girls: One took the burka off and is back at school. The other has left the school on her own wish - or so they say.
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san francisco,
Freitag, 23. Juni 2006, 23:40
No Birkas in San Francisco...the Birka Lambada!
In all my days of working fulltime as a tourguide (i.e. going all over the downtown and busy tourist areas on a daily basis), I have seen only one fullblown birka, presumably a woman walking with someone in Western male clothing. In San Francisco, with all the kooks and transvestites, who knows which gender is which, by clothing? Traffic on Market Street, our main transit street downtown, was almost stopped by the sight of this person in black, so shocking a sight it is to us here.
I think that the advent of birkas to any Western society is a sign of much more frightening restrictions to come - including the chopping of hands, balls, heads; and the stoning of adulterers would be the least of it. A lot of men better zip up their zippers if they think the birkas are harmless new ideas for society's management of "jealousy" and "female provocation" and other Islamic ideas.
I'd love to see birkas flood the beaches of Rio. Those men in teeny weeny itsy bitsy bikinis should be ashamed of themselves, eating mangos and sashaying around like putas on a catwalk! Why should brown and dark people flaunt their bodies down there, after all, when birkas can be ordered and flown in cheaply from the Middle East? So what if it's too hot for full body garb? Middle East is darn tooting hot and they don't complain, do they?
Time for the Birka Lambada!
Mark
I think that the advent of birkas to any Western society is a sign of much more frightening restrictions to come - including the chopping of hands, balls, heads; and the stoning of adulterers would be the least of it. A lot of men better zip up their zippers if they think the birkas are harmless new ideas for society's management of "jealousy" and "female provocation" and other Islamic ideas.
I'd love to see birkas flood the beaches of Rio. Those men in teeny weeny itsy bitsy bikinis should be ashamed of themselves, eating mangos and sashaying around like putas on a catwalk! Why should brown and dark people flaunt their bodies down there, after all, when birkas can be ordered and flown in cheaply from the Middle East? So what if it's too hot for full body garb? Middle East is darn tooting hot and they don't complain, do they?
Time for the Birka Lambada!
Mark
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